Ciro Discepolo | The Solar Returns book | Where should we domificate the Solar Return?

Tommaso Palamidessi, in his book Astrologia Mondiale does not express clearly, but when he puts two Solar Returns as an example, he uses that of Benito Mussolini and that of Aldo Moro - both domificated for the place where they spent their respective birthday.

H. J. Gouchon, a great astrologer of the last century, in his Dictionnaire Astrologique, ed. Dervy-Livres, at page 535 writes so: “... It mums be noticed yet (for the beginners) that the position of the planets always remains the same in any part of the world where the native may be; only domification may change. Often certain people move on the day of their birthday in order to attain a better position of the Houses.”.

André Barbault, in his Practical treatise of astrology, ed. Morin, 1967, gives his opinion: “What is a Solar Return? It is simply the classical astral chart, cast for a certain year and for the place in which the native is on the day of his/her astronomical birthday, that is to day, on the moment of the return of the Sun on its natal position.”.

Still Barbault in his book L’astrologia e la previsione dell’avvenire, Armenia editore: Tradition is not formal concerning the place for where the chart itself must be cast: the place of birth or the place of the anniversary. Modern astrologers have unanimously adopted the latter version.”.

And above all Alexandre Volguine, the “father” of the Solar Returns, in his book La Technique des Révolutions Solaires, Dervy-Livres, new edition of June 1972, page 22: “Before starting the exposition of the technique of interpretation of Solar Returns, the subject of the following chapter, we must call the astrologers’ attention to the necessity of casting the yearly charts not for the place of birth, but for the place in which the subject is at the moment of his/her anniversary. (the bold is in the original text, Editor’s Note)”.

Let us examine now some practical cases that prove - to those who don’t stick to their mala fide - that the SR must be cast for the place of the birthday and not for the place of the birth.

Case # 1. The case of Greta Garbo. The great Swedish actress spent the last times of her life retired in a flat in New York, where she died on the 15th of April 1990. You can see her birth chart further on.
You can also see the two Solar Returns: one cast for her place of birth, the other one cast for the place where Greta Garbo spent her last birthday (1989, New York).
As you can see, the SR of Stockholm, taken for the year in which the over-eighty years old diva died, has got a nasty conjunction in the first House of the Return, but it also shows an Ascendant lying in the 5th House radix - nothing to do with a death! I would like to remind my Readers what they can find in several other parts of this book: the position of the Ascendant of SR compared with the natal Houses is by far the most important piece of information that you can receive; you might as well stop here, and use it to write the nine-column head on the first page of the “newspaper” of that year of the native.
On the contrary, the SR of Greta Garbo for the year 1989, cast for New York, shows an Ascendant in the 12th House, which points to another important way of my reading the Solar returns: the Ascendant of SR lying in the twelfth house of the natal chart is the worst thing that may happen to a native.

Natal chart

SR 1989, in Stockholm

SR 1989, in New York

Case # 2. Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, was born in Hodgenville (longitude 5.43W, latitude 37.33N).
He was killed on the 14th of April, 1865. We can take it almost for granted that he had spent the day of his birthday on the White House, in Washington, considering that by those times people travelled very little, and for little distances.
You can see his birth map and the two returns of 1865 further on (he was born on the 12th of February 1809 at 6:54 am). The SR cast for his birthplace gives an Ascendant in the 7th House, while the SR cast for Washington gives an Ascendant of SR in the natal 8th House (with a Venus conjunct to the Descendant there cannot be any 7th House of “mortal act of terrorism”). I believe that any other comment is useless.

Natal chart

SR 1865, Hodgenville

SR 1865, Washington

Case # 3. Let us face an unpublished and really striking case - at least in my opinion. My daughter Laura had a peculiar birthday in 2001, compared to that of her astral twin. The latter is one of my friends’ daughter who was born in the same town as Laura, only twenty minutes later than Laura. According to my subsequent observations though, I believe that she was born only ten minutes later than my daughter. Laura was born in Naples on the 27th of May 1975 at 11.25 pm.
Both of them would have faced horrible constellations, had they spent their birthday in Naples: perhaps the most awful ones that I could imagine. In fact they would have had the Sun conjunct to Saturn in the 12th House, four celestials in the 12th House, and Mars in the 6th House of SR. I warned both of them and suggested them to relocate their SR to Australia.

In fact my daughter went and visited a very peculiar place called Monkey Mia. Despite its ape-like name, it is a magic place with bungalows facing the sea, where you can almost hug dolphins that come to the shore and “befriend” with tourists. Laura spent her birthday there, and two months later married. After that, she found home close to mine; in April she underwent an eye surgery that solved her serious short-sightedness; eventually she started looking for a serious job.
Let us see what happened to her astral twin, call her Ilena. She wasn’t able to leave and twelve months later she reported that she had had a real annus horribilis: the day after her birthday, her brother was urgently hospitalized for a very bad acute illness.

He spent one month poised between life and death (she spent much time by his side, in the hospital). Three days after her birthday, while she was eating one of her molar teeth fractures; she had to take antibiotics for one month for a badly cured infection. After years of stable position, she lost her job and spent the whole year in unemployment. After seven years of stable relationship, her boyfriend left her and she felt into depression.
Now I would like to have this case explained by those who claim that the Solar Return must be domificated for the native’s place of birth, or place of steady domicile. Come on, tell me if you can.
Of course, my friend authorised me to release - if necessary - the real name and astrological data of Ilena, just in case somebody, having no scientific argument to oppose, claimed that this case is a mere fruit of my imagination.

N.B. The charts that you can see hereby have been cast according to the officially recorded time of birth. Do not forget yet: as I explained, they become even closer if we consider that Ilena’s time of birth should be rectified. She was probably born ten minutes earlier.

Laura’s natal chart

Ilena’s natal chart

Laura’s SR 2001, Monkey Mia

Ilena’s BSR 2001

Laura’s BSR 2001

Australia

	Where should we domificate the Solar Return?
	by Ciro Discepolo



	What is the place for where the Solar Return is cast? The place of birth or the place where the native actually is on the very moment of the Solar Return? I find that this question is strongly idle and rhetorical; but since somebody raised the issue, I’ll try to give a well-structured answer, supported by astrological evidences. Since Astrology exists, it has always put in connection a time and a place in which something was born. There’s a very old saying: every rising thing may be born under a good or a bad star. The horoscope, i.e. the map of the natal sky, is the snapshot of the sky as it is on the moment of the birth - a photo taken in the place where the happy event is taking place. Somebody might object that the snapshot should be taken in the place of conception; but it would be mistaken, because the astrology that all of us practice is the astrology built up on the relationship birth/sky. Still, anybody could start learning today a new astrology, an astrology that grasps the terrestrial and celestial links of the moment of conception, supposing that the moment of conception can be determined precisely. So let us stick to the ultra-millenary astrology that we have been using for all our life. This astrology theorizes that the celestial imprinting that we receive on the moment of our birth fixes our person like a picture on a photograph plate, whose crystals of silver would be “responsible of”, or the would be “in connection with”, all our life. Those who do not believe in this, do not believe in astrology. Now, we know that there are many cycles working in astrology. Great masters have used and are still using them; such as André Barbault (who applies them especially in World Astrology), Reinhold Ebertin, John Addey and many others. Your birthday is the start of a new cycle of life that is going to last for one year. There is no reason why this cycle - an extremely important cycle for your life - should be domificated for the place where you used to be thirty years ago, but where today you aren’t any longer. Some wonder: why should the Sun pass exactly over the Sun of birth? Well, the Sun of birth was in the sky, not on the Earth! And if you wish to recreate the same terrestrial-celestial situation of the birth, you should domificate exactly like at your birth-time, and all the Solar Returns would be the same! That’s why, dear Reader, I telly you that you domificate for the place where you are spending your birthday, and not for your birthplace. In order to induce you to a meditated reflection that confirms this matter of fact, firs of all I have told you my personal opinion; secondarily I’ll let you know what great astrologers think about that; and thirdly, I’ll show you some practical cases, quite striking ones. Eventually, those who still doubt are invited to read the example of Mata Hari, that I’ve written in the book I transiti, published by Armenia Editore. It is an exceptionally clear example that cannot leave the least doubt in the Readers’ mind. I accept any challenge. If anybody shows me the contrary of what I write there, I’ll change my mind on the Solar Returns. Nonetheless in this case somebody else should be able to explain to me how come all the Aimed Solar Returns that I have studied and practiced over thousand of people have always worked.

What the great astrologers think on this subject:
	Tommaso Palamidessi, in his book Astrologia Mondiale does not express clearly, but when he puts two Solar Returns as an example, he uses that of Benito Mussolini and that of Aldo Moro - both domificated for the place where they spent their respective birthday. H. J. Gouchon, a great astrologer of the last century, in his Dictionnaire Astrologique, ed. Dervy-Livres, at page 535 writes so: “... It mums be noticed yet (for the beginners) that the position of the planets always remains the same in any part of the world where the native may be; only domification may change. Often certain people move on the day of their birthday in order to attain a better position of the Houses.”. André Barbault, in his Practical treatise of astrology, ed. Morin, 1967, gives his opinion: “What is a Solar Return? It is simply the classical astral chart, cast for a certain year and for the place in which the native is on the day of his/her astronomical birthday, that is to day, on the moment of the return of the Sun on its natal position.”. Still Barbault in his book L’astrologia e la previsione dell’avvenire, Armenia editore: Tradition is not formal concerning the place for where the chart itself must be cast: the place of birth or the place of the anniversary. Modern astrologers have unanimously adopted the latter version.”. And above all Alexandre Volguine, the “father” of the Solar Returns, in his book La Technique des Révolutions Solaires, Dervy-Livres, new edition of June 1972, page 22: “Before starting the exposition of the technique of interpretation of Solar Returns, the subject of the following chapter, we must call the astrologers’ attention to the necessity of casting the yearly charts not for the place of birth, but for the place in which the subject is at the moment of his/her anniversary. (the bold is in the original text, Editor’s Note)”. Let us examine now some practical cases that prove - to those who don’t stick to their mala fide - that the SR must be cast for the place of the birthday and not for the place of the birth. Case # 1. The case of Greta Garbo. The great Swedish actress spent the last times of her life retired in a flat in New York, where she died on the 15th of April 1990. You can see her birth chart further on. You can also see the two Solar Returns: one cast for her place of birth, the other one cast for the place where Greta Garbo spent her last birthday (1989, New York). As you can see, the SR of Stockholm, taken for the year in which the over-eighty years old diva died, has got a nasty conjunction in the first House of the Return, but it also shows an Ascendant lying in the 5th House radix - nothing to do with a death! I would like to remind my Readers what they can find in several other parts of this book: the position of the Ascendant of SR compared with the natal Houses is by far the most important piece of information that you can receive; you might as well stop here, and use it to write the nine-column head on the first page of the “newspaper” of that year of the native. On the contrary, the SR of Greta Garbo for the year 1989, cast for New York, shows an Ascendant in the 12th House, which points to another important way of my reading the Solar returns: the Ascendant of SR lying in the twelfth house of the natal chart is the worst thing that may happen to a native. Natal chart SR 1989, in Stockholm SR 1989, in New York Case # 2. Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America, was born in Hodgenville (longitude 5.43W, latitude 37.33N). He was killed on the 14th of April, 1865. We can take it almost for granted that he had spent the day of his birthday on the White House, in Washington, considering that by those times people travelled very little, and for little distances. You can see his birth map and the two returns of 1865 further on (he was born on the 12th of February 1809 at 6:54 am). The SR cast for his birthplace gives an Ascendant in the 7th House, while the SR cast for Washington gives an Ascendant of SR in the natal 8th House (with a Venus conjunct to the Descendant there cannot be any 7th House of “mortal act of terrorism”). I believe that any other comment is useless. Natal chart SR 1865, Hodgenville SR 1865, Washington Case # 3. Let us face an unpublished and really striking case - at least in my opinion. My daughter Laura had a peculiar birthday in 2001, compared to that of her astral twin. The latter is one of my friends’ daughter who was born in the same town as Laura, only twenty minutes later than Laura. According to my subsequent observations though, I believe that she was born only ten minutes later than my daughter. Laura was born in Naples on the 27th of May 1975 at 11.25 pm. Both of them would have faced horrible constellations, had they spent their birthday in Naples: perhaps the most awful ones that I could imagine. In fact they would have had the Sun conjunct to Saturn in the 12th House, four celestials in the 12th House, and Mars in the 6th House of SR. I warned both of them and suggested them to relocate their SR to Australia. In fact my daughter went and visited a very peculiar place called Monkey Mia. Despite its ape-like name, it is a magic place with bungalows facing the sea, where you can almost hug dolphins that come to the shore and “befriend” with tourists. Laura spent her birthday there, and two months later married. After that, she found home close to mine; in April she underwent an eye surgery that solved her serious short-sightedness; eventually she started looking for a serious job. Let us see what happened to her astral twin, call her Ilena. She wasn’t able to leave and twelve months later she reported that she had had a real annus horribilis: the day after her birthday, her brother was urgently hospitalized for a very bad acute illness. He spent one month poised between life and death (she spent much time by his side, in the hospital). Three days after her birthday, while she was eating one of her molar teeth fractures; she had to take antibiotics for one month for a badly cured infection. After years of stable position, she lost her job and spent the whole year in unemployment. After seven years of stable relationship, her boyfriend left her and she felt into depression. Now I would like to have this case explained by those who claim that the Solar Return must be domificated for the native’s place of birth, or place of steady domicile. Come on, tell me if you can. Of course, my friend authorised me to release - if necessary - the real name and astrological data of Ilena, just in case somebody, having no scientific argument to oppose, claimed that this case is a mere fruit of my imagination. N.B. The charts that you can see hereby have been cast according to the officially recorded time of birth. Do not forget yet: as I explained, they become even closer if we consider that Ilena’s time of birth should be rectified. She was probably born ten minutes earlier. Laura’s natal chart Ilena’s natal chart Laura’s SR 2001, Monkey Mia Ilena’s BSR 2001 Laura’s BSR 2001 Australia

	Taken from the book: Ciro Discepolo - Nuovo Trattato delle Rivoluzioni Solari - Armenia Editore © (Any partial or total reproduction of this article is absolutely forbidden).